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Phantasmagoria- The Visions of Lewis Carroll
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 20, 2009 4:40 pm    Post subject: Phantasmagoria- The Visions of Lewis Carroll Reply with quote

I've read that Marilyn Manson has been working on a fantasy horror film based on Lewis Carroll's 'Alice In Wonderland', - he's writing, scoring, producing and starring in it as well! Alongside him will be Lily Cole (playing Alice), Evan Rachel Wood ( as Alice's alter ego) and Tilda Swinton ( as Carroll's dream wife). It all sounds a bit odd to me- the promotional 'blurb' is thus- 'Victorian England.
A haunted writer in an isolated castle is tormented by sleepless nights and visions of a girl named Alice. He finds himself becoming a symptom of his own invention.

“Now all my nightmares know my name.”

He is Lewis Carroll. Terrified of what waits for him each night.'

Manson himself has also had this to say- “ I want to take the children's story that we all know, and discover the horrifying roots that grow beneath every one of its childish metaphors. The characters may be absurd and wrapped in puzzles, but the author himself is the story that I find painfully close to me. Lewis Carroll is far more complex than the world's narrow perception of him as a quiet deacon, a mathematician and a loner, simply obsessed with photographing young girls. He was possibly one of the most divided souls living in his own hell that the world has overlooked.'
“ It's about Lewis Carroll and how he became a persona much more bizarre and elaborate than Marilyn Manson. Charles Dodgson was his real name, and he was a person who had a tortured inability to find love and to find happiness in his life, and his story is one of great depression. It's one of a split personality - a person who was deaf in his right ear and left-handed. He was a mathematician and an artist, a deacon in a church who believed in evolution. ”
“ I felt like there were a lot of things about his personality that were like mine. His creativity thrived mostly at night. He was a very odd person. In the past year, just putting together the script, I think I've adopted a lot of his personality, whether for better or for worse. I discovered that Charles Dodgson, who called himself Lewis Carroll, was more of a creation than his stories were. He was very much a Jekyll and Hyde story, and the more I looked into it, the more (I realized) this was a ghost story, really. He was haunted by his own demons and had a split personality in a lot of ways. He couldn't find happiness; he couldn't find a family. He didn't sleep. I think that he was seeing things. You start seeing things differently, stuff that normal people don't see - stuff that I have seen now and again. I think I was able to relate to that and to want to put it on the screen.'

His plan is to try to redefine the horror genre by taking it back to the style of directors like Alfred Hitchcock, Ingmar Bergman and Roman Polanski, and he has said of its soundtrack that 'It's interesting that we can create scenes around the mood of certain songs. It's working in a different way than you normally would with film. I just started making music that ended up not fitting anywhere on any of the Marilyn Manson albums over the years, and I kind of collected it together. It's much more cinematic'.

Expect to see it released sometime next year, although it has been rumoured that the release itself will be 'unconventional' in some way- no word as yet on whether it will be available in cinemas as yet although the internet has been mentioned as a possible source of availability ( through the official Marilyn Manson website). It all sounds very strange indeed if you ask me....



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PostPosted: Mon Jun 22, 2009 6:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sounds quite intriguing avtually depending on how he does it i suppose
I can see it being very weird knowing Manson
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 23, 2009 12:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If he does it as a straight- up psychological horror I can see it working quite well, but if he goes for gore over substance then I fear it'll blow up in his face.....
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 23, 2009 6:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's certainly intriguing enough to make me want to see it when it's eventually released. I like the idea of exploring hidden meanings to the story but I'm not too sure about the Hitchcock, Bergman and Polanski references!
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 24, 2009 6:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

what is with 'Alice In Wonderland' they always seem to come out with these horror versions......i know there is a horror type video game too
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 24, 2009 8:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

People do seem obsessed with finding hidden meanings in fairytales...perhaps its a fairly recent trend in literature studies. But I would think this'll be better publicised than the other attempts on account of the attachment of a fairly big name, not to mention the time, creative talent and money he's invested in it.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 26, 2009 7:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

yep i agree bud ...it will be very interesting to see what he does and whether he'll star himself???
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 27, 2009 3:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

He is starring in it- he's playing Lewis Carroll! It seems he's going down the psychological horror route, focusing on the author's personal demons.
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 27, 2009 5:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh sorry bud i just re-read your first post and you did already say he was starring  

it does sound good...it will be strange to see Manson without the make-up ....thats if he plans on taking it off    
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 27, 2009 6:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I doubt he will- I think he's forgotten that underneath it all he's just plain old Brian Warner   .



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