Is Climate Research Pure as the Driven Snow?

Lucifer_666 · Is Climate Research Pure as the Driven Snow?

I had to laugh when it came to this subject this past two weeks or so..They normally say in quite humid or rainy weather that our climate has changed... things will get warmer,.. more unpredictable however in the past weeks there we've had loads of snow reminscent of yesteryear..and yet still you have people coming out of the woodwork saying its a sign of climate change

now I'd understand that more if we were getting the snow in the summer months or something but in all honesty these are usually the months we get the cold and snow anyway

Now today we have another research statistic headlining stating climate change will be worse and much quicker than earlier expected... the sceptic in me suspects that this research is deliberately released now specifically after the snow...it also had to be more dynamic than the norm saying words like 'more destructive' or 'worse than previously thought'...Its like we have to get the people back on track and frightened

..Whatever the truth is on manmade climate change I do believe there is a huge agenda going on and we are been brought down a road...a road which may or may not turn out to be the correct one and only time will tell

Emperor Morphetine

The way I see it is that people have been debating climate change for years and until we get actual concrete proof that its happening on a large scale ( I know the polar icecaps are melting) there isn't a lot more we can do than go with the official measures which have been drawn up to combat it, although obviously there are plenty of ways to be environmentally friendly!

Catnapper

I'm always a bit sceptical of their research...how can they prove it's all down to global warming? Nature's strange and we've always had extreme weather conditions over the years.....we've had mild winters that were put down to global warming, but yet we've just come through a bad winter, with freezing temperatures and lots of snow....is that global warming too?

But, whether we're in global warming or not, we should all be looking to cut down on pollution and try and protect our planet.......cause it's the only one we have.

Lucifer_666

This is the thing really isn't it?... global weather has always changed sure thats why certain streets in the UK are called Vine Rd or street because the weather was warm enough at one time to have vine yards there producing... I firmly believe that we could very well find out in years to come that things are not as bad as being suggested now and that it ain't as manmade as some want to believe

Emperor Morphetine

To an extent I think that some of the statistics you hear on climate change and the environment are fabricated to suit a particular agenda- that of either the government or green organisations. But at the same time I think its only right that the facts are flagged up ( those which are already proven to be truths) as only when people know the real cost of something like this will they act.

Lucifer_666

The problem I find with that mate is working out then which facts or supposed 'truths' are being exaggerated and which aren't?? Personally I think we may discover very little real truth in alot of the man-made carbon dioxide theories being spouted at the moment..of course I agree with the normal litter polution line and that we can't keep filling up landfills forever but its was never really that that was the possible scam in my eyes... its the weather alteration and the rather single minded evidence and absolute assuredness that it is manmade to the point where you cannot argue in opposition.
And I know people say the vast majority of scientists and experts believe this (even that is suspect

) but just take into account that at one stage all the great minds thought the world was flat and that there was only eight planets in our solar system

Emperor Morphetine

Well, yeh- I certainly agree that a large percentage of all this is manmade, that can't be disputed. And I don't really know the extent to which we can trust so-called 'experts', as I suspect a lot of them have outside interests which influence what they do and don't reveal about the issue!

Lucifer_666

I guess only time will truly tell bud though I really feel deep in my gut that we are very far away from the complete picture and that we are being painted a much more fearful one than really warranted

Emperor Morphetine

I would be inclined to agree, maybe its all just about justifying the many theories that have been bandied about by the scientific community, seems they don't have much of a clue!

Lucifer_666

Well maybe they are right about it all ...its just the absolute assuredness that they all have that they are correct that bugs me particularly as the evidence isn't that clean cut and they aren't sure of everything..they all could very well be wrong yet dare you argue against them

Emperor Morphetine

Maybe if there were a definite set of ideas laid down we might be able to argue one way or the other, it all seems a muddle at the moment, hence why people are falling over themselves to make claims and counter-claims.

Lucifer_666

Did you see bud the Environment minister in Northern Ireland last week came out and said he didn't believe in the man-made element of climate change and knocked off the tv ad doing the rounds in NI...he was practically ridiculed and his job is now under threat...its this kind of 'You can not disagree with us' attitude that really bugs me..right or wrong about the science to me there is something even more wrong with the fact that we are hearing very little alternate opinions or researches...And I do think people have to remember you are always going to have research pointing to man-made causes if all studies and science is centred around that conclusion in the first place

Emperor Morphetine

Well, yeh- people seem afraid of alternative ways of thinking about problems like climate change, there seems to be no fresh methods or theories doing the rounds and I think perhaps the time is nigh for a new way of dealing with it.

Lucifer_666

I agree bud if only it would happen now

Emperor Morphetine

Give it time....

Catnapper

Did you see the article about global warming in the paper the other day? Scientists are predicting it'll happen as soon as 2050 and that swathes of deserts will appear, most wildlife will have disappeared and only 10 % of the human race will survive.....talk about scare mongering!

Lucifer_666

Scare mongering is exactly what it is

...but if it is as bad as they say surely we should be putting money towards preparing for the differing weather conditions rather than putting it to ads and promotions to get us to make little changes which quite frankly is useless

I've been saying this for ages now...people are just not being realistic and for scientists not to be that makes me question them even further

Emperor Morphetine

However you look at it scaremongering has existed since time immemorial- from ye olde witch trials to now! And I think its just a kneejerk reaction to what people don't necessarily understand, everybody likes to have an opinion but some aren't as well informed as others so they just try desperately to fit in with those who are.

Lucifer_666

Your right bud it has always has existed but I'm sure you agree that it always has to be confronted too...
Once you let people like this continue and flourish we are all under threat and you never know whats really the truth and what isn't

Emperor Morphetine

Well yes, it does need confrontation but I wonder who's going to- what with the confusion over it!

Catnapper

What was that Channel 4 docu that was on a while back about global warming? Experts in it were debunking what other scientists were saying about global warming being imminent....the "rogue" scientists made a lot of sense and came up with evidence to back their claims but were practically shouted down in the press and on tv for daring to go against popular scientific opinion.

Emperor Morphetine

Well, popular science has always been resistant to new ideas- its almost as if anything that hasn't been in the New Scientist magazine or approved by so called boffins is stamped down on in favour of the already-established notions of what science can offer in terms of solution to most problems.

Lucifer_666

Yep they really picked apart some of that docu so they could then say none of it is true but the fact of the matter is their supposed facts can also be picked at and questioned yet we are mean't to glumly believe all they say

Emperor Morphetine

The operative word there being 'meant', nobody has to believe what these people or indeed any other government officials tell them!

Lucifer_666

I agree bud I just wish they wouldn't be constantly brainwashing people..after all if you tell people often enough something is the truth it doesn't be long before many begin to believe it is true

Emperor Morphetine

I've read a lot of articles calling the Britain of today a 'nanny state' and the worrying thing is I'm starting to believe that's true, it seems everywhere you look there's someone waiting to tell you what you can and can't do.....

Lucifer_666

I agree bud its crazy the way things are at the moment.... its almost like Media and government are wanting to replace religion as a moral compass to society and to me there is something slightly disturbing about that...

Emperor Morphetine

Perhaps we finally now have proof that George Orwell was on to something when he wrote '1984' all those years ago......

Catnapper

We're supposed to be the most spied on and have the most CCTV cameras than anywhere else in Europe...I can believe it too!

Lucifer_666

Yeah its a crazy world out there and it does start to resemble 1984...scarily enough

whats worse is that it s been fueled by the media and government paranoia

Emperor Morphetine

I think its a case of 'come back liberalism, all is forgiven'......

Lucifer_666

Does that mean Clegg will be Prime Minister

Emperor Morphetine

I'd rather not have the Lib Dems in charge, I mean to say that I think a more liberal outlook on some issues might prove beneficial.

Catnapper

We should be in charge.....we've got more sense! Honestly, it makes my blood boil at the idiotic decisions the government makes

Speaking of politicians......did you read how Gordon Brown handed over historical gifts (including a pen made from the timbers of an old anti-slavery ship) to Barack Obama during his official visit to Washington.....and Obama gave him 25 dvds of American films in return

It seems a lot of Americans and politicians were embarrassed by their President!

Emperor Morphetine

I tend not to trust anyone in government any more, too much of an old boys club for my liking....

Lucifer_666

I agree with both of you.... as i don't trust the government crowds either and i also agree that if we did have power we couldn't do much worse

Emperor Morphetine

Britain as a people's republic would be interesting.....

Lucifer_666

power to the people....

You know you would probably end up with an Animal Farm type government

Emperor Morphetine

Well, given what's been going on I wouldn't be surprised if ordinary people decided to 'fight the power!' as Public Enemy once sang.

AlesiFan

Lucifer_666

Funny Alesifan i think the opposite ...i think people are far too quick to believe these probabilities and declare them absolute certainties ...they are encouraged to do this by the media and by a big chunk of the scientific community..and i think its wrong

.like i'm not saying that they're theories are wrong....they may very well be right ..whats annoying me and concerning me is the absolute assuredness that they are right and any other theory is wrong or ludicrous...its also not what Science should be built on...every possibility should be left on the table

i also think Darwin's theory is different here too as they have physically discovered tangible evidence like bones and stuff to prove it.....science still hasn't fully proved that the man made elements of carbon dioxide has any real bearing on our climate change

Another worry to me is why they are wasting millions on telling people to turn off a standby switch in ad campaigns when that money should be allocated to those that suffer when climate change damage or trouble when it occurs ...And before anyone says it even if these ads pulled off a miracle and got the ordinary people in bulk to reduce their power uses it still wouldn't make one slightest difference to the climate

Emperor Morphetine

Too true.