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 Posted: Tue Jan 08, 2008 3:27 pm Post subject: Star Trek Film: Further Info |
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I read these on 'Ain't it Cool' the first one is from someone who has read the new Trek script and is kind of worrying in a way
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I saw your STAR TREK story and wasn't going to say anything, but since you know me... yeah, I can confirm the rumor you posted about the script. I wasn't going to say anything because I got slipped the shooting script and really didn't love it, but I respect J.J. Abrams so much that I'm withholding judgment on the final product (but wish this writer's strike weren't happening because reports are he's been itching to make some "on the set" changes and can't do it).
The problem with the script is all its blatant inconsistency with things in the TREK canon, not to be innovative... but because Kurtzman and Orci are lousy writers and have zero feel for Roddenberry's universe, even when attempting to reboot it. The dialogue is about on par with their past works and some of the liberties they've taken are insanely sloppy. (Forgive me, wasn't the Enterprise built in space and not Area 51?) It's remarkably unintelligent writing. (FYI: I also read their upcoming Fox pilot called FRINGE which may be the most blatant X-FILES rip off ever.)
The character of young Kirk is a travesty. He's the bad boy of the Academy, which is consistent in many ways, but the whole "Kobayashi" matter is overtly ridiculous. It turns Kirk into the worst scourge of all of Starfleet! At his graduation there are actual protestors outside the ceremony carrying signs stating: KIRK CHEATED! Talk about on the nose. They probably look like striking writers.
So, Kirk is put in command of a starship under great controversy and has to prove himself to not only Starfleet, but also his new crew who are wary of him and his bad rep. While this may sound okay, the way it's written is so ham fisted that it makes the TRANSFORMERS script read like Shakespeare.
Actually, the character of both young and old Spock works well and is consistent with the TREK canon, but I'm pretty sure that's because of Nimoy's involvement. Young and old Spock do meet and there's a clever, as well as TREK consistent, reason why young Spock's foreknowledge of events won't create problems in the future.
There's a lot of action in this piece, which is welcome, but the Romulan villains are perfunctory. My problem with time travel bad guys is what's to prevent them from looping back and trying their plan again and again whenever they fail? I'm sure Bana got a lot of money to do this inconsequential character.
I think curiosity and Abrams' rep will ensure this movie makes major bucks, but as far as re-launching STAR TREK with a whole new younger crew, no way. This is a novelty item that would probably not please Roddenberry purists, but would any of the recent Treks?
One thing's for sure, as lackluster as this script is... it's better than any Berman produced STAR TREK just due to the fact that it's big and has some scope. I just wish the character of Kirk weren't written as if in a dumb after school special. Shatner will have a field day ripping into the rather sleazy portrayal of his classic character. While he may have always been a skirt chaser, making him a lousy student seems like they're trying too hard to appeal to a real young audience who has the menu to Taco Bell memorized.I could say more, but will withhold judgment due to a talented director, big budget and strong cast. |
Secondly this is another guy who has seen actual footage of the new Trek....now this sounds amazing!!!
| Ain't it Cool wrote: | I've seen some footage of the new Star Trek flick and I must say I am impressed. I am not a Trekkie and I am not working for the movie industry. It was due to other reasons I got to visit the production faclities and people showed me some scenes that showed what I would call "the Star Trek world". Let me explain. If you watch the TV series and many of the movies than - if you are a Star Wars fan like me - you always have the feeling that there is a discrepancy between the size of the alien worlds / the space ship(s) of the Federation and the locations where most of the scenes have been shot. In other words, the Bridge is more like a living room and does not match the size nor style of gigantic size of the Enterprise at all. It is certainly unbelievable because it's mostly the only place we get to see (and of course three or four other places, but all in all just 1 percent of the ship, I presume).
We'll, this movie is gonna end all that for sure. The "stage play" and Disney like nature of the TV episodes is gone, the "we'll only show you three locations but trust me, this really is a gigantic spaceship we're flying around in"-feeling will also be gone. I would argue that this movie is making use of the Star Wars like decors (as implemented later in the sequels and used immediately in the prequels) therefore expanding our universe more directly (leaves less room for imagination) and making the story a lot more believable, at least to me.
I thought it was very cool. Not sure if the Trekkies will like this move though.
By the way when I saw the new look of the Enterprise, I just wanted to go out and buy a model kit of that or something. I'm quite sure it will get as much positive response as the Milennium Falcon did. Yes, the stuff is that detailed. |
Lastly another fella let spill about a picture or visual hand off from old Spock to New
| Ain't it Cool wrote: | | i wouldn't take it that far. but it reminded me of the visual "handoff" they shot two weeks ago where nimoy's hand (vulcan greeting) is replaced in the frame by quinto's hand. j.j. actually spent a lot of time on it. finally, got it by setting up an extra monitor to help quinto hit his mark. it will only be a brief moment in the film, but apparently this sort of visual "handoff" from nimoy to quinto was important enough to warrant dozens of takes. |
All sounds interesting anyway
Here's the link....
http://www.aintitcool.com/node/35208
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Another bit of info.......James Doohan's son's going to be in it  It's only a small role and he doesn't know exactly what role he has but he said he's seen all the Star Trek uniforms all hanging on the rails and he says they're awesome He said he hasn't met Simon Pegg yet but when they do he'll say about his dad. 
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| Posted: Mon Jan 28, 2008 4:04 pm Post subject: |
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Thats great news Cat.....you want little things like this in a new Trek movie like this......It all adds to the experience for Trek Fans
The Uniforms sound fantastic too 
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can't wait tot see this now
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Just Read this on Dark Horizons....
Abrams & Crew Talk "Star Trek" Relaunch
J.J. Abrams and some of the cast and crew of the upcoming "Star Trek" film franchise relaunch sat down with TrekMovie.com to answer questions from fans.
He confirms the the first movie trailer with footage will "hopefully be in theaters early to mid-Summer", meaning Paramount will likely be keen to attach it to "Iron Man".
Abrams main goal is to "make Trek REAL -- that is to say, not have it be camp -- not have it be phony -- not have it look like a scrap of green screen was used anywhere... WHEREVER WE CAN, we are shooting on sets -- either built on sound stages or expanding upon found locations."
The response comes to comments last week that one of the production designers was unhappy with the sets utilising so much green screen. Abrams responded with "For that one scene, which will last for maybe thirty seconds on screen, we built only pieces and were surrounded by green. But that is the exception."
He also realises that Trek isn't "Star Wars", it doesn't have that kind of money, so they need to make this film on a budget (partly because that's the $ we have, and partly because I want the studio to see Trek as viable!)."
Despite their limitations, they are anticipating about 1000 visual effects shots - the biggest by far of any Trek film. The Enterprise itself "will be a combo of the physical and the virtual."
Actor Greg Grunberg was to make an appearance, but had to bow out due to scheduling conflicts. Shooting is scheduled to wrap early April 2008, but they finished their last night of filming on the Enterprise bridge on Friday. A PG-13 rating is also being targeted.
Another film I can't wait to see now
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| Posted: Tue Feb 12, 2008 3:32 pm Post subject: |
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will be nice to see the origianl enterprise again
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I was surprised to hear that Bana has described his role as just a cameo too...that is strange ...still I cannot wait to see this movie no matter what others have their doubts
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| It almost makes me wonder if they're planning a sequel already? I thought Eric Bana would feature heavily as the villain but if he says it's a cameo then maybe he appears at the end to set up a sequel? |
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| Posted: Tue Feb 12, 2008 4:32 pm Post subject: |
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Thats a very strong possibilty babe..maybe there is much more to his character and they are not revealing it til near the end?
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