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Lucifer_666 · Site Joined: 27 Jul 2007 Posts: 9695

SPOILER ALERT:

One of the most critically acclaimed episodes from TOS aired back on April 6, 1967, it was the 28th and penultimate episode of the first season of Trek and appears its going to have its link with the new film

The episode’s name is The City on the Edge of Forever....the episode where Joan Collins guest starred as Edith Keeler and the crew of the Enterprise discovers a portal through space and time. Bones (Dr. McCoy) eventually ends up messing up history and it’s up to Kirk and Spock to set things straight.

So what does this 40 year old episode have to do with JJ Abrams’ Trek film?

Romulans from the future, most likely TNG time frame lead by a Romulan named Nero, played by Eric Bana, finds the City on the Edge of Forever and uses the Guardian of Forever to go back in time and kill the person who has been the biggest thorn in the Romulan’s side and is crucial to the success of the Federation and Starfleet, James T. Kirk.

Mr. Spock, played by Leonard Nimoy in the original timeline, becomes aware of Nero’s plan (not clear on the details of how he knows) and also goes back in time to protect his best friend, James Kirk. This is where the Old Spock (Nimoy) and Young Spock (Quinto) meet.
Old Spock warns young Spock about Nero’s plans and it’s up to them to protect the future Captain Kirk and also help try to protect the timeline and the future of the Federation and Starfleet.

This happens before Kirk and Spock form their life long friendship and bond. We have been told that there is a very cool scene where Old Spock tells the Young Spock about his friendship with Kirk, so while this may sound “illogical” (pun intended) it’s been described as very emotional.

Hmm…does Old Spock die in this film? I honestly don’t know but I am finally getting excited about this film (despite the casting mishaps).

Ok, so when do we see Kirk for the very first time? The first time the audience is introduced to James T. Kirk is while he is taking a certain test that Starfleet cadets are required to take, the Kobayashi Maru.

The Kobayashi Maru scenario was an infamous no-win scenario that was part of the curriculum for command-track cadets at Starfleet Academy in the 23rd century. It was primarily used to assess a cadet's discipline, character, and command capabilities when facing an impossible situation.

In the scenario, a cadet was placed in command of a starship on patrol near the Klingon Neutral Zone. The starship would receive a distress signal from the SS Kobayashi Maru, a civilian freighter that had been disabled in the zone after having struck a gravitic mine. If the cadet chose to enter the neutral zone in violation of treaties, the starship would be confronted by three Klingon K't'inga-class battlecruisers.

The test was considered a no-win scenario because it was impossible for the cadet to simultaneously save the Kobayashi Maru, avoid a fight with the Klingons, and escape from the neutral zone with the starship intact.

In the 2250s, James T. Kirk became the first (and only known) cadet to ever beat the no-win scenario. After taking the test and failing twice, Kirk took the test a third time after surreptitiously reprogramming the computer to make it possible to win the scenario.

Kirk got a commendation for "original thinking", and later commented wistfully that his stunt "had the virtue of never having been tried." Kirk would later defend his "cheating" by arguing that he didn't believe in the no-win scenario. Ironically, Kirk also defended the test itself by suggesting "how we face death is at least as important as how we face life.”

If you want to read the full interview with IESB.net here's the link.....
http://www.iesb.net/index.php?opt...sk=view&id=3696&Itemid=99

Its very similar to the early plotline we have heard of before but I like the idea of bringing in the old episode feature too

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Catnapper · Site Joined: 30 Jul 2007 Posts: 6250

I was only reading about this a couple of days ago! Harlan Ellison, who wrote City on the Edge of Forever, is supposed to be angry that they're using his story......I think it's something to do with copyright or maybe they didn't ask his permission first. Anyway, he's mad about it and was threatening all kinds of things! I've forgotten where I read about it though

I'll have to look later on!

Lucifer_666 · Site Joined: 27 Jul 2007 Posts: 9695

I'd say they have the story copyright but the writer is mad he wasn't included in the story process....chances are he sold the rights of the story to Trek ages ago so I doubt he has much to complain about really babe....It will be interesting to find out more though

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Catnapper · Site Joined: 30 Jul 2007 Posts: 6250

I came across this......it isn't what I read about a few days ago (that's about the Star Trek XI) but from reading this article he's been angry about this episode for a good few years now!

http://hubpages.com/hub/cityontheedgeofforever

Lucifer_666 · Site Joined: 27 Jul 2007 Posts: 9695

Reading some of it there babe he has very little to complain about the new film considering they even changed the Guardian from his script anyway in the old series and thats all that is going to be in the new film...

It was interesting though but I don't think his story was that good

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Lucifer_666 · Site Joined: 27 Jul 2007 Posts: 9695

Trek Movie Report, "The City of The Edge of Forever" writer Harlan Ellison revealed that the Guardian of Forever will not appear in J.J. Abrams upcoming Star Trek movie.(story)

"Some idiot reported [in the internet] that they have taken elements from my "City of The Edge of Forever" Ellison said "The Guardian of Forever, the story of Edith Keeler, all this stuff is mine, because of the Writer's Guild."

"In fact, J.J. Abrams, who is one of my favorite writers, and a brilliant, brilliant writer, does not need to steal from me. So it turned out to be bullshit. Turned out to be crap. [...] a friend of mine has seen the [Star Trek] script and said no, thats bullshit."

This information is preliminary, of course, and entirely rumor.

You can view the full link here....
http://trekweb.com/articles/2007/...Elements-in-Star-Trek-Movie.shtml

Here's the Video....

http://trekmovie.com/2007/12/10/h...-strike-dispells-guardian-rumors/

He will not be happy if it turns out to be true about the Guardian

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Catnapper · Site Joined: 30 Jul 2007 Posts: 6250

I don't think they'd be daft enough to use the Guardian without Ellison's permission.......he seems scary

Lucifer_666 · Site Joined: 27 Jul 2007 Posts: 9695

Your right..... very scary babe

he's one to be avoided I think

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Catnapper · Site Joined: 30 Jul 2007 Posts: 6250

Some more info and some spoilers too......though Luc's already said about 1 incident that features in the film, this spoiler takes the incident a bit further......

http://movieblog.ugo.com/index.ph...star_trek_adventure_ugo_exclusive

Lucifer_666 · Site Joined: 27 Jul 2007 Posts: 9695

Oh I like the idea of Spock telling on Kirk...

Its really going to bring new depth to the characters if this is the way the film is going

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